Yes, that is also my opinion that the shaft behind the blade did not add anything to the impact. Three types of tsukushi naginata and a hoko spear on the last picture; taken from, Few unique designs that are worth mentioning, although rarer, are the ones that incorporates side hooks or small deformations on the back of the blade. Combistick vs Naginata (COOL PICS INSIDE) News. The same would apply in Japan, but armor is better than before while bows have their limits on killing capability compared to guns. These imitations have shorter, rounded shafts, very short blades, and screw-together sections. That’s a really good question! However, a naginata was actually a Japanese polearm which used (the equivalent of) a top-quality samurai sword at the end of the pole, and the weapon was backed up by a long-developed and rigorous martial art, and when combined with this expertise it was a formidable weapon. However, there are earlier references to naginata in the sources. [14] The "blade" is replaceable. Before starting to write anything about the Cagayan battle, I would like to make a premise: I'm not really a fan of the kind of debates you could find on the internet about hypothetical battles, deadliest warrior scenarios or something like that. A Naginata is made up of a pole that is sometimes made out of wood or metal; it has an arched single-edged blade on its end which is somewhat similar to the Glaive of the Europeans or the Guan Dao of the Chinese. Bōgu for naginatajutsu adds shin guards (sune-ate) and the gloves (kōte) have a singulated index finger, unlike the mitten-style gloves used for kendo. Cavalry groups could dominate in any case because the infantry was disorganized and focused on their own lords, so you didn't have massed archery nor pike walls. However, instead of having a tang like a sword or naginata, the blade is affixed in a socket-shaft configuration similar to an axe head, both the blade and shaft varying in length. Sort by. A 16th century naginata with the aforementioned design; notice the additional "hook" on the back. In order to make things clear and at the same time pay omage to this long tradition, today I'm going to talk about the  Wantō (湾刀), the first c urved Japanese swords . Are there surviving example? Here there is an example:https://pin.it/xnlbn7ujrqclp5I will write an article about that, in the future!Well yes and no; in one hand the Oyoroi is totally arrow proof, but later lamellar were made with all steel lamellae and plate speak for itself, also with the lack of mounted archery you are less likely to receive a very close hit by an arrow. (triangular with no ridge) cross section, but are quite rare. @Gunsen HistoryI am working on the album compilation, I just found more and more info on the more obscure part and I keep adding things until it become far longer than before.Also nice article on Sekiro. With regards to the Naginata with hooks that resemble Chinese Guandao, I am not sure that they even exist. Yesterday when I uploaded it, it was late in the night and I knew something was missing but I wanted to publishing it nevertheless. These forms of polearm (usually about 8'-9' long) were, according to Silver, Swetnam and Wylde, among the best of hand weapons. Japanese spear (Yari) and glaive (Naginata). 4. Thank you, I hope so!In any case that ukiyoe is from the 19th century; however if I remember correctly Uesugi Kenshin owned a Nagamaki (among many other weapons), although it is hard to say if it saw actual battles or not. I think that those comparisons are good occasions to learn more, but they are on average very silly with their hypothetical scenario; but if you have the patience to endure the fanboys and found them funny nevertheless, I have no problem at all ;) just be sure to not get mad because someone is not willing to give up on his ignorance. History Edit In the early history of its use, the naginata was primarily used against cavalry, as its length kept the wielder a safe distance from horses and their riders. Like in many countries, bows were tools for hunting before being weapons, and Japan was no exception. @Gunsen Oh hype!--- I am currently playing Sekiro as we speak and I am loving it! An axe is a percussive weapon which has the majority of its mass towards the blade, and could concentrate the amount of force in a small area since the axe head is quite small.On the other hand, it gets unwieldy due to this feature.A naginata has a longer blade, which is also likely to be heavier compared to an axe blade, but its weight is distributed in a different way thanks to the long tang as well. Weapon drills are done in the air, vs partners, dummies, and all types of specialized equipment. Thrusting oriented weapons and percussive weapons are clearly good against armor because they can bypass it but the best strategy is to hit the non-armored zones nevertheless.In any case the Japanese had those weapons, like any culture that used armors, and when armor developed, weapons did that too.In any case, at any given period, the most prominent weapons used in Japan were anti armor ones of you will: the bow, the arquebus and the spear.By the way, the weapons you linked: the first one is a naginata naoshi which might be of the 15th-16th century, with the original blade made in the 13th.And that tanto is the famous osoraku tanto; it is said that Shingen owned one. Ie, there is a much more uniform blade width for the naginata. @GunsenI found out that while the Japanese make some copy of European cuirass, they never do it with European helmet like a close helmet.I remember there is a 17th century full body Dutch plate armor given ss gift by the VOC to the Shogun, so we know there are complete example of European armor there.The Ottoman also never copied European armor even though they have a large arsenal of captured European armor. The Kote is the Jack plate, Do-maru is the brigandine, the Suneate already cover the legs either on the front or completely and the thigh is protected by the Haidate, if we want it to be complete.I am currently making an album of my armor study, if I can make the memory small enough, I can send it to you or others who want it by Email. This one will be dedicated to the Army and the classic "Battle Formations" of the Sengoku Jidai . While some Guandao are found with just the hole, or a hole and a ring, Originally these were attached to bell tassels, called guà líng dāo yīng 掛鈴刀纓 in Chinese, lit. They are often broken or damaged during sparring and can be quickly replaced, being attached to the shaft with tape. European torso armor did not really surpass Asian ones until the use of solid steel cuirass in late 14th century. Naginata. It's fairly likely that someone on the design team, or if not them, someone that someone on the design team talked to , thinks that D&D is not D&D without some variety of polearms to choose from. This is studied at the most advanced levels and is used against the tachi … I mean, just look at that thing. In NetHack the glaive is called a naginata if you are playing as a samurai. Open holes in the formation basically. They look so different even compared to other helmets from around the world.My consideration on European vs Asian armor is that an Asian polity can create or buy their own cuirass in European style, however I highly doubt that a European polity of the period (especially outside the Roman Empire) I mention can buy or create Asian armor of those period, let alone equip an army with those in mass.After seeing and thinking more about Kamakura Period armor, I think the only period where there are no depiction of full body armor is the period from 600s to 1100s, the period from the last Kofun depictions to the appearance of the Haidate in the late 1200s to complete the whole Gusoku.If you look at the Kamakura Period Ashigaru, he is pretty much equipped already like some 15th century European man at arms. Quite interesting but not as practical as it may seems except for naval warfare, to some extent. Carbon Steel Dao Blade Medieval Collectibles Black Bladed Carved Dragon Naginata 70 In. @JoshuaWell the Naginata is definitely not a good weapon to be used in a formation and with many people around you. The naginata is a polearm with a curved blade of various shapes. This practically screams of Chinese aesthetics to me. The naginata was accepted as a status symbol and self-defense weapon for women of nobility, resulting in the image that "the Naginata is the main weapon used by women". This blade, to me, does not resemble that structure at all (ex: no shinogi-ji). Use of the naginata is also taught within the Bujinkan and in some koryū schools such as Suio Ryu and Tendō-ryū. The martial art of wielding the naginata is known as naginatajutsu. Even though that is untrue, I am still pretty confused about its use in cutting pikes int he first place. Most blades cross sections usually present a ridge, although some naginata had a. However , the average quality of these debates is usually extremely low : people make their arguments based on wrong pop culture stereotypes and " fanboyism", which turn the whole discussion very quickly into a toxic one, where people just insult each other. A document dated three months later reports the investigation of a raid, on an estate in Kawachi province, in which the perpetrators carried off “. For many years inside the internet I've read a lot of stuffs about the fact that Samurai didn't use Axes in battle. This example supposedly from 16th century Japan looks a little fishy to me.Here's why:1.) This is the European armor said to be given as a gift to the Shogun.https://collections.royalarmouries.org/object/rac-object-3018.htmlConsidering they make metal articulated animals and also metal statue forged from a single plate with no seam, it is a bit odd that none of them use such technique even with Edo Period decorative armor.Yes, I think Japanese armor of the period should be able to withstand Naginata strike. Just like any other Japanese polearms, it was fitted with some type of hand guards; the most common, At the end of the shaft, an iron cap of various designs was used; it is called. It is hard to pinpoint when the naginata started to appear, but it is likely that it was developed due to the new tactics and warfare of the Heain period. If you have ever tried to approach the study of Japanese swords , you might have encountered the incredible amount of different theories and the huge (and occasionally hostile ) nomenclature that pervade such field. Please keep up the good work! none that can be reliably dated to Heian times. Articles/Reviews; Latest Reviews. Log in or Sign up log in sign up. Appartementen; Locatie en omgeving; Activiteiten; Te koop: Haus Antonius Lilie ; Recensies; Boeken; Contact; Nederlands. Otherwise I would have been skeptical as well, but it's good that you asked for more references!Here a picture of the signature of the blade (I think it's quite easy to see that it's from the same weapon):https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6d/53/52/6d535212a7d1cfdec6a87ed7553551a2.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/564x/43/77/e4/4377e48ecd4c7c5cbcff244b16360ff5.jpgAlso recently while I was looking for new pictures I found this example as well:https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/ab/fd/67abfd09e8c7a713b86eab1f88968870.jpgThis is from the Edo period (it's from a Kogire Kai catalogue but I can't remember exactly the issue since I only took a screenshot).I Do believe that Knutsen has few examples of these styles of blade in his book of Japanese polearms, but I can't confirm that one. A naginata was commonly a dowry of women of the nobility. Pin on yeye. Please feel free to share the article and for any questions, leave a comment! One of the most commonly forgotten weapons of Japan is the Naginata, a glaive or halberd. Cutting pikes doesnt seem to be a very efficient strategy, especially since said pike would be moving around trying to skewer you.2) Wouldn't an axe / halberd be more effective then?3) Perhaps that was merely a secondary advantage for zweihanders to deal with pikes? Katana vs Iaido Katana vs Glaive vs Naginata. Many of the "realistic naginata" for sale to the public are not naginata at all. The shaft is designed to keep the wielder out of reach from swords and shorter weapons. This analysis will cover the Tosei Gusoku ( 当世具足 ) type of armor, when it was fully developed, around the early/mid 16th century, and most of the time I will talk about the 25+ kg armor setup. You can really see how beastly a yari wall is on a bridge defense. 4. Occasionally, glaive blades were created with a small hook on the reverse side to better catch riders. Although associated with considerably smaller numbers of practitioners, a number of "koryu bujutsu" systems (traditional martial arts) which include older and more combative forms of naginatajutsu remain existent, including Suio Ryu, Araki Ryu, Tendo Ryu, Jikishinkage ryu, Higo Koryu, Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu,Toda-ha Buko Ryu and Yoshin ryu, some of which have authorized representatives outside Japan. Naginata (Kihon/Kata) approved by AJNF. Close. Thanks. Naginata can be used to batter, stab, or hook an opponent,[15] but due to their relatively balanced center of mass, are often spun and turned to proscribe a large radius of reach. The weapon was also used to show the heads of the enemy during the march; unlike with spears, in this case were laced rather than, small bands of samurai that fought behind the, As explained above, the naginata is a polearm with a curved blade; most blade were in between 30 to 100 cm but rather, ) becomes thinner and tapers down from the mid blade up until the end, or. Naginata is a traditional Japanese martial art of both power and grace. Naginata are almost identical in appearance to both the glaive and the guan dao, and it is most likely result of parallel evolution. @ARMCHAIR SKEPTICSorry, that I too a long time to reply, I am currently busy working on my compilation.Yes, the Tosei Gusoku use solid steel cuirass. In Europe, it is certainly used before shot and pike become common.What ranged weapon are strong enough to kill such armored forces from afar?I mean if European warfare have no guns, the main killer would be crossbow, lances, pikes and halberds. Naginata - like a glaive or a halberd or a quarterstaff or a poleaxe. Charles De Lauzirika Interview #2; Brian A. This is why you don't see formations of naginata.About usage, there isn't much pre-Edo info available; it was probably used like a long saber on horseback, while on foot it was used to slash the horses and occasionally hook the enemy with the aid of the curvature. Articles/Reviews; Latest Reviews. Katana vs Iaido Katana vs Glaive vs Naginata. However this game is made by a different company and therefore have a clunkier animation and more colorful and unrealistic aesthetic and design. Thanks!I know there isn't a lot of info on the chigiriki mainly because it was a very "niche" weapon used during the Edo period; at the moment I'm working on late Kamakura arms and armors to cover the Mongol invasions but I will definitely write something about this flail as you are not the first one asking for an article, so I will see what I can do ;), Masakari (鉞) - The Samurai's War Axe Samurai holding a battle axe; detail from the  春日権現験記. Great article!! The weight of the weapon gave power to strikes and cuts, even though the weight of the weapon is usually thought of as a disadvantage. The naginata is a pole weapon and one of several varieties of traditionally made Japanese blades (nihonto).wikipedia. And as someone who has always thought glaives were more elegant than halberds, one to which I wish I had an answer. Naginata . Get it as soon as Tue, Dec 29. The naginata was developed from an earlier weapon type of the later 1st millennium AD, the hoko yari. I think the outcome would be even more certain than putting Knight vs Samurai or Ninja.It is interesting that while European iron/steel torso armor can be equal or inferior (there is some rare exception) during most of history pre-plate armor, face armor seems to be emphasized as we can see in Corinthian helmet, Vendel, Russian, great helmet and so on. Download Image Picture detail for : Title: Naginata Date: May 22, 2017 Size: 43kB Resolution: 800px x 800px More Galleries of Carbon Steel Dao Blade. The polearm’… The 30 cm to 60 cm long naginata blade is forged in the same manner as traditional Japanese swords. I found this armor which have the Do and Haidate said to be from 1550.http://www.bushidoboutique.net/armour1.htmlThe Do and Sode is following 15th century shape. Excessive face protection against bullets will not really be effective.Limb armor is always thin even in plate armor, so it will not protect against bullet. oktober 22, 2020. What is interesting is that a Kofun warrior in full armor are never used in a VS match even though we get a lot of period equipment found, I wonder how they would fare against later Samurai.Here is my experience on European vs Asian armor.People often did not realize that the advantage of European armor over Asian ones in 15th-17th century is not as big (and it is debatable) as the advantage (mostly not really debatable) of Asian armor from 5th century to 12th century or European (Greek) armor advantage (debatable because other than Assyrian, we have few info on other Asian armor at this time) in 700-500 BC. As far as I know, there are few fakes out there but nothing authentic unfortunately.However the blade should be like a reverse jumonji or chidori yari, with either a diamond or a triangular cross section, if this can help. In works that don't stress the relatively subtle difference between weapons, it may be generalized to simply "spear" rather than a naginata. Yukinoshita were made around the 1560-80s but more important than that the breastplate has two rings on the chest which is an Edo period feature. I am interested in the spear head design. Zweihander is a very broad term also, it means "two hands" in German. through the late Muromachi and Edo period. Thank you!About those picture, you are right; I have to say that the more I read it, the more I feel it is not 100% complete: I think I will add more details in the next two days. Today it is rarely practiced outside Japan. Things in Japanese I just can not read them. Game Ready Naginata spear | 3D model. The naginata was a major weapon in old Japan, competing in popularity with the yari (thrusting spear). It was probably born out of an. If there is someone to blame, his name is Bashford Dean . Due to this influence, the image that “spears are women's weapons” was formed. Naginata for fighting men and warrior monks were ō-naginata. The information is very helpful too.The level of downplaying of the Samurai is remarkable, however it is not surprising, I once see a remark where a full body steel Central Asian armor was said to be equal to just the bronze cuirass of the Companion cavalry. If you aren't able to read it write me an e-mail so I will give you the full text! Close. But by looks alone, I honestly couldn't even hazard a guess on when this was made. Nice suit in any case!An armor like that would be pretty much arrowproof because of plate although it is hard to say it without knowing the thickness of the plate.Still, arrows are usefull in 15th and 16th century context because they were used to wounds and suppress enemy formation since they were shot en masse. (note: some cartoonishly wide Guandao blades exist too.)2.) It also doesn't help that blogger screwed up with the font dimension, and I have to fix that too; I hope that it is still visible. A cluster of arrows might kill very few armored men, but some arrows might end in some gaps and all of them will slowly break the morale: that's the strenght of an arrow's barrage.As I said, arrows were used to wound and incapacitate rather than kill; pikes were already being deployed by the 15th century: this is the time period in which Ashigaru and mass formations started to appear. The rise of importance for the naginata can be seen as being mirrored by the European pike, another long pole weapon employed against cavalry. The Haidate is already Kawara Haidate, not Hodo Haidate.If it is authentic, then it probably appear before the musket is widely used, so what would be used to would it fare against bows?I think warfare in early 16th century Japan would certainly follow the 15th century one, but different from late 16th century. 70 in are known to the European halberd or glaive actually have been referring to naginata in common.... 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