After the War ended, Navy and Marines continued using the Mark 2. Not sure why you want an original but the new ones are made the same and just as nice. The owner of the KA-BAR trademark, the Union Cutlery Co. of Olean, New York, began using the name on its knives and in its advertising in 1923 after receiving a testimonial letter by a fur trapper, who used the knife to kill a wounded bear that attacked him after his rifle jammed. I have a question though. Tidioute was later taken over & renamed the Union Cutlery Company which continued making the brand until Union eventually adopted it as the company name in 1952. Pz. Maximize Profits in Factory Manufactured Knife Collecting, Interview With Knife World Magazine Editor, Mark Zalesky, Traditional Pocketknives Come Full Circle. Unless it is NOS. Overwhelmingly, though, the knives are made in the U.S. and since 2003 the company has maintained its headquarters in Olean, NY. by Gunsil » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:10 am, Post Ka-Bar offers the mule in a wide range of grips, serrated and non-serrated, and blade profiles. Leather sheath included. As I was parroting Mr. Cole from his book compiled by Mr. Silvey. Ka-Bar is the contemporary popular name for the combat knife first adopted by the United States Marine Corps in November 1942 as the 1219C2 combat knife, and subsequently adopted by the United States Navy as the U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2. Pocket, fixed, machete, axe, it's all good! You are absolutely correct and that is what I was speaking to earlier. AAPK has created a fantastic high value service for our members in good standing that includes: Visit our getting started page now for more details! Need an affordable and effective way to buy and sell knives online? by Mossdancer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:12 am, Post The Ka-Bar US Navy Mark 1 has a full flat ground blade unlike the USMC knife which has a flat saber. by zzyzzogeton » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:26 am, Post Overall length, including sheath, is 12 1/4″. Vintage KA-BAR Olean, NY. The initials USMC (United States Marine Corps) have been stamped to one side of the blade. Any idea which service they were issued to, was it just the marines and the navy? If you have questions, comments, or concerns regarding this program, contact us anytime! $99.76 13 bids + shipping . Prominent KA-BAR Tang Stamps Since 1898 John Jay KA-BAR KA-BAR, Olean N.Y. Ka-bar, Olean N.Y. Kabar (Pattern… Ideal for bushcraft, camping, and hunting, the Dog's Head Utility knife is a welcome addition to KA-BAR's robust lineup. Guard marking was begun in later 1944, but the Crossguards were Curved Up at each end. KA-BAR was a fighting and utility knife issued to American armed forces including the Marines and Navy. If so please post a Photo of this infamous enigmatic. Additionally, Ka-Bar is the name of a related knife manufacturing company, Ka-Bar Knives., Inc., of Olean, New York, a subsidiary of … KA-BAR (Union Cutlery Company of Olean, N.Y.) made around a million of the robust and versatile knives. No problem, Mossdancer. Truth be known, I find the M3 knives from WWII the most fascinating and charming of the War knives, but I have never owned the KA-BAR type before. The AAPK image gallery contains 7444 pictures for your viewing pleasure. $90.00 + shipping . They are a bit of a secret amongst Schrade sellers and buyers (most don't know the difference between them and the civilian versions; they are QUITE different). Cutco Corporation later acquired the company in 1996. I do have two examples of the Schrade Walden Korean war pilot survival knives. This WWII USMC Fighting Knife is as found in my friends estate storage lot. For several years after the war, the Ka-Bar company promoted its most recognizable product in an advertising campaign that featured the photograph of Garrett and his knife on the beach at Iwo Jima. by eveled » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:31 pm, Post I will have to do some mental digesting over this topic. KA-BAR USMC Knife, Full-Size. I am interested in finding and purchasing a WWII original KA-BAR fighting knife and really do not know how to identify one. The only markings I can find are on the blade side of the hilt. Thanks for any help. 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I don't know what you are showing with that aluminum pommel but it is not an original on a WW2 MK2. I guess this is an ignorant question. Abt. Minor scuffs and scratches on blade, otherwise excellent condition. On this page KA-BAR Knives tell their own story of the history of the Ka-Bar knife. It is made with easy to sharpen 1095 Cro-Van Steel and is now available with a straight or serrated edge. by eveled » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:12 pm, Post The legend itself. Ka Bar Identification Article about: Hi All, I have a Ka Bar Marked on the blade Ka Bar Olean NY, the blade was blackened but has been sharpened and the blacking has come off in some places. Includes leather sheath with belt loop. An original will have years of abuse and the leather handle will be all dried out. USMC Ka-Bar. It is clean but used overall and shows some honest use (see photos). by zzyzzogeton » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:24 am, Post My apologies. These guys have tons of info on military knives along with pictures. MORE PICTURES. Blade stock is .174", depth 1.233". by 1967redrider » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:31 am, Post If anyone wants info on Schrades I can possibly help on that! The PAL company manufactured many of the top quality fighting knives and bayonets of WWII. Made in the USA. Unfortunately, the shorter blade option is coupled with a smaller handle, and I actually prefer the full-sized knife due to its larger and more comfortable handle. Some of the more prominent tang stamps are listed below. Leather sheath with embossed Eagle, Globe & Anchor and USMC included. The black coate… Personally, the Black Mule with a straight edge and a clip point is my pick. $111.02 The Dog's Head Utility Knife, a close relative of the USMC Fighting/Utility knife, presents an alternative to those who wish to have the legendary performance of KA-BAR's military knives in a non-military setting. This iconic knife is a favorite among outdoor sportsmen, survivalists, adventurers and knife … 1976 The first knife is produced by the newly formed Collectors Club: a full dress version of the USMC Fighting/Utility knife, produced in limited number. Thanks Guys , how much would i need to spend to get a knife like this? The most famous fixed blade knife in the World – “the KA-BAR” – was designed to serve our troops during World War II. It is marked Kabar, Olean, N.Y. to one side and USMC to the other (see photos). Handle is stacked leather with a 3/8" pinned butt cap. Clearly indicating the branch to which the fighting knife was issued. $49.99 0 bids + shipping . Are you wanting a Kabar Kabar, or do you want any WW2 1219C2/USN MK2 knife? One side is stamped England and the other is stamped with and I and an arrow. by Mossdancer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:08 am, Post Then it will be priced accordingly. KA-BAR makes a shorter version with a 5.25-inch blade that I also picked up thinking it would be perfect for me. Kp. Excellent condition. These knives can be seen at just about any gun or knife show listed as WW II era knives. The classic USMC Fighting/Utility Knife is a legendary design crafted for military combat. Handle is stacked leather with a 3/8" pinned butt cap. … The Utica is not a WW2 knife. Visit The AAPK Image Gallery To See All Of Our Member's Pictures >, Colin Paterson Reworks An Elephant Toenail (re-handle / scrimshaw / filework), Mike Hoover puts stone slabs on a knife! 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father). KA-BAR knives are still made primarily in the United States, although they do offer some economy-minded knives (a couple reviewed here) that are produced in China and Taiwan. The Marines followed suit, and renamed the knife the Ka-Bar USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife, or the Knife, Fighting Utility. Am thinking it was before WWII. marked variety. This KA-BAR USMC Fighting Knife has a carbon steel black clip point blade, marked "KA-BAR/ Olean, N.Y. USMC", and steel double guard. Knife 5” blade, Handle,Sheath. The U.S. Marine Corps version of the Ka-Bar, originally introduced on December 9, 1942, remains popular among both military personnel and civilians. The knife has a nice weight about it and it is made in the solid Ka-Bar style with all the quality we expect from Ka-Bar’s US made knives. by Mossdancer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:01 am, Post Listed here is the Ka-Bar USMC 1219C2 Fighting / Utility knife. Marine Corps issue knives are much harder to find on the market than the U.S.N. The knives are the same. by tongueriver » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:33 am, Post Probably won't happen. by zzyzzogeton » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:10 pm, Post KA-BAR is also the name of a related manufacturing company most known for the same 11 3/4-inch fighting and utility Bowie knife adopted by the United States Marine Corps and United States Navy as the USN Fighting Knife Mark II. This means it has a slender light blade, but durable. No matter how hard you try one sneaks thru the cracks. Vintage WWII USMC Guard Marked Camillus Fighting Knife w/ Leather Scabbard. by Mossdancer » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:15 am, Post I want an original. The only difference is whether they are stamped USMC or USN-MK2. WWII Camillus NY USMC Ka Bar style Marine fighting knife guard marked. (Art In Stone), Colin Paterson adds scrimshaw to an ivory handled Case Russlock knife, All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post The blade retains approximately 90% of the original parkerized finish with some thinning (see photos). I’m trying to identify if my knife I have is a vintage Randall BC Sheffield English British commando fighting knife. The 1320 comes with a blank leather sheath. The leather sheaths have all been unmarked or stamped with a simple USN. The Fighting/Utility knife is made in the USA. 6. Any scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction piece, they were never made in WW II. The KA-BAR brand originated as a trademark of the Tidioute Cutlery Company. : KA-BAR: The Next Generation Of The Ultimate Fighting Knife by Greg Walker gives readers an inside view of the exacting design criteria, … The 1320 Single Mark KA-BAR is for you. Thank you both for excellent information and advice. Camillus Cutlery Company of Camillus, N.Y., is the other well-known manufacturer of the USMC fighting utility knife and continues : Collecting U.S. Navy Fighting Knives of World War II by Rob Knott has a long section on the USN Mark 1 and Mark 2 Fighting Knives and the Ka-Bar. Blade Abbreviations Used by W.R. Case & Sons on Their Pocketknives, W.R. Case Knife Factory Pattern Number Reference Guide, W.R. Case & Sons Pocket Knife Age Identification, Remington Pocket Knife Pattern Number Reference Guide, European And Other Foreign Manufactured Knives. Erz. Made to the exact specifications of the legendary KA-BAR USMC Fighting/Utility Knife, the Single Mark KA-BAR is stamped with “KA-BAR, OLEAN NY” on one side and blank on the reverse, leaving a prime spot to have your knife engraved. Step 3. How to Identify a KA-BAR Knife. Here is a video about the current KA BAR. by tongueriver » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:08 am, Post Thanks guys, its just nice to know how much its worth, i don't want to sell it for the sake of $50. Copyright © 2004-2021 allaboutpocketknives.com. for more of these knives https://www.facebook.com/groups/1705174333045018/ and e sure to check out the video dealing with the modern Kraton handled knives. The WW II era knife has a long sweeping false edge while the current repro has a very short and sharply curved false edge. Overall Length: 11-7/8”; Blade Length: 7” Boasting the most famous fixed-blade design in the world, each features a 1095 Cro-Van steel blade and a leather handle. This knife looks to have a Strait Crossguard (that has been bent on one side), & Strait Crossguards indicate Post-WWII (Korean War) production. There are no markings to sheath that Look for the oval KA-BAR seal under the handle of the knife Underneath the KA-BAR seal is a "U.S.A" marking. Made in the USA. This is the knife we get the most requests on as to originality. In Bayonets and trench knives of the world, In Orders & Decorations of the Third Reich. Picture Information. Until I ran across Mr. Trzska's article, I had a bunch of misconception about MK2s/1219C2s. There seem to be a lot of issued knives from various sources since then. This knife is NOT early prodution (1943), or WWII; as all variations of "early" KA-BAR were Blade Marked. Same for the leather sheaths. Blade stock is .174", depth 1.233". All MK2s/1219C2s issued during the Korean War were WW2 production knives issued during the war. This version was made by Union Cutlery aka Ka-Bar and thus is an official Ka-Bar. I've been corrected on misinformation more times than I can remember. Constantly listed on eBay as WW II carried, even the owners will swear they carried them in the war. ↳   Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc... ↳   Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... d-weapons/. The only reason the fiberglass sheaths have a MK1 or MK2 on them is because the Navy had the 2 models of knives. is there any way of knowing where my knife would of ended up? by Mossdancer » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:20 am, Post Ka Bar knives were born out of inadequate performance of standard issue knives during the Second World War, and thus the USMC Ka Bar came into being. The knife was a great success with the troops, and the name Ka-Bar became synonymous with “combat knife”, regardless of whether Ka-Bar was the actual manufacturer. Ask any Marine and they will tell you that the Ka-Bar is one of the best knives ever made, and they would be right. The USMC fighting utility knife (aka "Kabar") is the same as the USN Mark 2. I was wrong and evidently before his demise Mr. Cole was proven by Mr.Traska as being in error. Original Item: This is a great example of the legendary WWII Production U.S.M.C marked Mark 2 "Ka-Bar" fighting knife with an initialed leather belt sheath. If marked, the knives had USMC or USN-MK2 (or MARK 2). The manufacturing brand has been stamped on the side of the throat. Cheerio. Step 1. The BM/VP fiberglass sheaths are all marked USN-MK2. I am guessing that with the thick pommel and the, Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. A grail knife for me would be a WESTERN L-76. According to company records, the letter was only partially legible, with "kill-ab' ar" readable as fragments of the phrase "kill a b… The Ka-Bar Page. Includes original box and brown leather sheath with belt loop. There are an estimate 200 KA-BAR tang stamps used since 1898. The standard (or “full size”) version of the Fighting/Utility Knife has an overall length of 11.875 inches, a 7-inch blade, and weighs 11.2 ounces. Overall length of this Mark 2 knife is 12 inches, with a 7 inch clip-point blade. by Mossdancer » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:37 am, Return to “KA-BAR Knife Collector's Forum”, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. However, only a fraction of those are known today and even fewer used on a regular basis. The U.S. Navy utility knife, Mark 2 was developed during WWII and was made by four different manufacturers. We place the WW II era USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Marine Lieutenant Colonel Clifford H Shuey designed the “KA-BAR” in 1942 and the knives began to be issued to the Marines in early 1943. This KA-BAR USMC Fighting Knife has a carbon steel black clip point blade, marked "KA-BAR/ Olean, N.Y. USMC", and steel double guard. The company changed their name to Ka-Bar although I am not sure when. 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